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shadow-eating vs. emotion-staring
Seems like a ‘you say tomayto; I say tomahto’ kind of distinction to me. Either David’s slow mastication of, or Ngak’chang Rinpoche’s staring at, what we wish to avoid is notably NOT evasion, suppression, eradication, or succumbing to said ‘monsters.’
Or did you think that the latter is a do-it-once-and-it’s-done sort of thing? That was never my impression.
Shadows and Emotions
Well, yes I distinguish a take on “embracing emotions” that suggests a diet of shadows as that seems a slant on a certain hue of emotions, and which is no less likely to result in the denial of other emotions that need integration no less so than “shadows”.
Mostly my reaction came from the incense I felt when trek-chöd was described as “too long and arduous for most”, only ironically to offer a shadow diet that was described in no less long and arduous terms.
I wonder is feeling that a commenter is criticizing one’s work (that he actually appreciates quite a bit) a shadow that one can integrate with?
You can't get there from here . . .
Hi David,
Perhaps I’m not sure I see monstrousness and nobility as simple inverses of each other. The field is more complex than that duality, at least the way you are describing monstrousness. For example in describing monstrousness you refer to it’s repulsiveness, but I am not sure that the opposite of repulsiveness, which could be compulsive attraction or addiction, that this really qualifies as nobility, nor is any less of a reason for integration practices.
Regarding the requirement of being in the state if Rigpa to practice trek-chöd, it’s quite circular isn’t it, but that is the way of all Dzogchen yanas, there bases and results are the same, and every dzogchen “method” amounts to taking you from where you are to where you are.
I don’t know if I want to talk about this on this forum, but I have an idea about these teachings that state that you would have to be enlightened to practice something (seemingly discouraging monsters like us from even considering the attempt) when those teachings are right next to other teachings that remind us that we are, as our Lamas see us for instance, beginninglessly enlightened. I think the teachings become pathologically paradoxical and leave a kind of trap for the practitioner, in which it seems quite reasonable, very very reasonable actually, to stick to those practice for humble unenlightened folk, because of what most of us believe about our actual condition . . .
I’ll gladly look forward to your picking up these topics and continuing the thread of writing you started.
I like this idea of “informal” practices of view. It makes me wonder what “formal” practices of view are, and perhaps more importantly, what are not FORM-al or in-FORM-al, but perhaps nondual practices of view. What would we see in the mirror? Monster? Noble warrior? Both? Neither?
Thanks for the interest in the beginning of my journaling. I haven’t found something to really right about yet, so my format is still anchored in my teacher’s teachings. Thanks for the encouragement.
Sergio
Talking 'bout a resolution
Hi David,
I think I may have been a little myopic in my critical read of the text of this article, and most of my points were based on some of things specifically stated here. I do see in the broader read that you are not intending monstrosity and nobility as a duality, so I really do stand corrected in terms of your intention. When people tell me that they may not have been clear, I am usually all to willing to admit that I might be the one that is not clear.
Actually, as you know, the Four Naljors are a preliminary practice for Dzogchen, but of course in classic style, the preliminaries are the main practice itself, but if you really appreciate that, you probably could skip the preliminaries by practicing the preliminaries (a paradox that makes perfect sense in the elightened state . . .)
I think the “form” of formal practices is in the outer approach to them. Actually self-arising practice is only possible through dissolving into emptiness and arising from emptiness as the yidam. In the preliminary outer stages of practice, there is a lot of intense staring at an awareness being thangka and willfully imagining oneself as . . . whatever . . . but in the end, all the form-ality of that practice has to be exploded for the actual practice to occur, largely without form of any kind (as we conventionally mean with “formality”)
It’s funny, but I kind of see men-ngak-de as more of a form-al practice. In men-ngak-de, an instruction is said, or the the teacher suddenly puts on a grotesque face in a completely out of context situation, and that form - those words, that body position, and even those mental constructs (appreciated as form) are the whole instruction. Any conceptual elaboration or attempt to sieze the implicit instruction destroys the transmission in mid sky.
This stuff is very mirror like you know, first you see the outer form of something, and then it becomes completely empty, and then something else that appears completely empty (like a men-ngak-de instruction) suddenly arises as these kind of enlightened forms (that which moves in mind). I love the catlyst question: What is the same? It’s not the answer that matters really, it’s the question isn’t it . . .
Incidentally, Skyrim looks amazing. I was huge Elder Scrolls fan, and I think I may need to Best Buy on Friday at 11 minutes after 11 am (and all that that implies . . .)
Sergio
Oh man
This article is so awesome!!! It nearly brought tears to my eyes. I’m basically writing a book about eating my shadow, though I’ve never seen it articulated so perfectly and humorously. Thanks for this post!
Staring into the face of our empty "monstrosity"
Frankly, a lot of the talk about “monstrosity” seems to focus around it repulsiveness and our rejection of it.
I think it’s easy to forget that another form of our “monstrosity” stems from it’s incredible attractiveness to us and our unconscious addiction to those aspects of - as we are. And that goes for actually uncategorizable people identifying with glamorous vampire / monster personas to plaster over the indescribable complexity of their actual situation no less than if they are in denial of their darkness potential and vigorously conform as much as possible to reject their own “shadows”.
After all while this article singles out the “irrational” as monstrous, I find that the ones who consider themselves absolutely rational can be equally monstrous, especially scientists that create inhuman experiments that corner unwitting subjects into realizations they were in no real position to have on their own or make use of, for some allegedly greater good and philosophical contribution to science of the nature of mind - expressed in meaningless statistics.
I think that you give a trek-chod a glossing over as “arduous and impractical” for most people, and then offer instead an approach that you describe:
If that’s easier, please let me quote the pithy instructions on the practice you find arduous and impractical, and let the comment reader decide (quoting one of your teachers ):
Personally, I am not interested in a “shadow” regimin, as if I go into the desire for integration knowing, in some preordained way what my integration requires. What my integration requires is not being separate from whatever I experience emotionally, and that does not have to come dressed in any particular style, be that the ornaments of monstrosity, or the ornaments of normalcy.
If that is arduous, well, as you seem only too aware, with an equally arduous sounding option, then so be it. I don’t know if anything is really accessible that is easier that is as valuable as what one learns from staring into the face of their own emotions to realize their emptiness.